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Posted on: Monday 16th November 2009

 
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Following the recently established tradition of academic debate on this here fine website. An interesting debate on the influence of the Reformation has come to my attention. In brief, it follows these lines: The set of guidelines recognized as being authored by Jean Calvin were as a rule those of Saint Augustine of, doctrines which Calvin embraced with a fervour which considerably influenced the direction of the Reformation. He was more drastic than Martin Luther, who did not denounce the traditions of the Catholic Church, but rather condemned the Church's custom of giving them priority over the fundamental principles of the religion.

Luther found the church dishonest, ravenous, oppressive and depraved, but the Reformation intended to clean and revitalise the church became instead its competitor, as a result of the denial of the Papacy to adjust its ways. Some disagreement would have been unavoidable, but it was Calvin who promoted the principle of a minority who were destined to be saved while the majority were predestined to be damned. Needless to say, it was acknowledged as self-evident that Calvinists, at least those in positions of power and authority, were of the Elect of the Saved, and those who held conflicting views or disagreed with them were damned in advance. This meant that they could equal the Catholics in oppressions and carnage without thoughts of blame or fear of judgement. This practice was to have a deep result on the world from the eighteenth century.

In due course, the notion arose that "saved" was synonymous with "virtuous", and white men come to regard themselves as intrinsically superior to darker men. This provided a moral geound for the imperialism of the nineteenth century, the enslavement of Negroes and in the twentieth century the burden of Apartheid in Southern Africa. Known variously as "the White Man's Burden", "manifest destiny" or "la mission civilizaire", this was an unintentional outcome of Calvin's philosophy. It is most doubtful that Calvin would have approved of such an anti-Christian reading of his canon, and he definitely would not have foreseen it. But would this have happened anyway? What if Calvin had not spoken out against the papacy?

 
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Man Julian Carax Posted on the 16th November 2009 Report this post
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That's what I think Doctor Schroedinger was trying to say to me when I saw him looking for his cat. However, Martin Luther was the main initiator of the Reformation. Calvin took up Luther's cause and ran with it, elucidating and systematizing it in his writings and consolidating it through his teachings. It was Luther, not Calvin, who spoke out so loudly against papal authority. Hence Luther was probably the more indispensable to the cause. If Luther had not spoken out against the papacy, the world (and the church in particular) would indeed be different from what it is today.
Man Daniel Sempere Posted on the 16th November 2009 Report this post
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It's all speculation, of course. The universe, even the fragment which we inhabit, is incomprehensibly complicated. None of us lives in isolation; everything we do has at least the potential to affect what happens somewhere else.
Man Wilfredo Camagüey Posted on the 16th November 2009 Report this post
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Agreed. Men are wicked. They always search for reasons for destruction. I believe that there would have been war anyway. Perhaps as a consequence over imperial rulings in the rhineland? That was a question much thought over at the time.
Man Fermín Romero de Torres Posted on the 16th November 2009 Report this post
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It was all about politics with a pretext of religion. They would have found another excuse.
Man campeggio Posted on the 16th November 2009 Report this post
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When Luther had thought through his objections to Roman Catholicism and the papacy, he itemized these objections as his "95 theses" which he posted on the Castle Church door at Wittenberg on 31 October 1517. In so doing he was, in fact, declaring war against the papacy and all it stood for.
Man KimLarsen Posted on the 16th November 2009 Report this post
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Without the uncompromising rigidity and misanthropy associated (often unfairly) with Calvinists, the following centuries may well have been less brutal.
Man Pier Paolo Galvanini di Lucca Posted on the 16th November 2009 Report this post
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n 1521, Luther was officially excommunicated by Pope Leo X. He was then ordered to appear before a council which demanded that he retract his teachings. Luther responded by stating that unless God directed him to do so through His Word, he would not go against his conscience. It was not without reason that a papal bull (sealed document) announced, "Arise, O Lord, and judge Thy cause. A wild boar has invaded Thy vineyard." With Luther, it was confrontation all the way.
Man Trond Posted on the 16th November 2009 Report this post
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Would the Holy Inquisition willingly give up its power, its supra-legal privileges? Would the lucrative, idolatrous trade in relics end? I doubt it.
Man John Posted on the 16th November 2009 Report this post
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A valid question, for once I agree with you: The Reformation might have been less violent. The Counter-reformation might have transformed the Roman Catholic Church. The church might even have returned to its original mission, to establish the kingdom of God in the hearts and minds of all people. However, perhaps the weight of tradition was still too great. Would cardinals and bishops have voluntarily relinquished control of cities, sometimes nations?
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